Agenda and minutes

Licensed Transport Forum
Thursday, 14 June 2018 10:00 am

Venue: Room 111/12/13 Eastleigh House, Upper Market Street, Eastleigh SO50 9YN

Contact: Cheryll Kemsley, Democratic Services Officer tel: 02380688112; email:  cheryll.kemsley@eastleigh.gov.uk 

Items
No. Item

1.

Minutes pdf icon PDF 290 KB

To consider the Minutes of meeting held on 22 February 2018.

Minutes:

The Minute of the meeting held on 22 February 2018 were agreed as a correct record.

 

PB wished to clarify to the Trade that on Minute 40 - Safeguarding, support was there for drivers when it came to transport of children, and if they could not get hold of Barnardo’s there was also Crimestoppers on 0800 855 111, or the Licensing Office:

www.eastleigh.gov.uk/licensing or 

www.southampton.gov.uk/licensing,

Tel: 023 8068 8179 or 023 8083 3523

phil.bates@southampton.gov.uk  or

andy.jeffery@eastleigh.gov.uk or

andy.jeffery@southampton.gov.uk

 

PN advised that he was to talk to the Safeguarding Board in Eastleigh at the end of July. PB had contacted the Licensing Office that covered Hampshire and Isle of Wight and they were supportive of the online style of training. The Hampshire Commissioning Group was also supportive and would look to pass it forward to the procurement process. PB would now talk to Licensing officers Hampshire wide but, until both PN and PB had had these conversations they could advise no further at this stage.

 

Cllr Hughes was concerned about timescales. PB responded that a consensus was required from the safeguarding boards. All agreed that a standard streamline approach across the country would be beneficial.

 

It was also agreed that Safeguarding would be added to the agenda as a standard item.

2.

Action List pdf icon PDF 66 KB

Minutes:

The action list was considered and updates were provided. Ageas Bowl – SL advised that the meeting had gone well, it was very positive as there was now more understanding of what was involved now. RV added that drivers were not interested in the Ageas jobs as they did not want to be trapped in a rank for a long time.

 

In response to a question on Clean Air Zones, the Chair advised that there was an awful lot going on in the background and this topic would be added to the agenda for the next meeting. PB said that he would ask someone from the Clean Air Team at Southampton City Council to attend again.

 

Application forms were to be removed from the list.

3.

Enforcement Summary

Minutes:

AJ presented his latest figures in regards to the enforcement statistics in the Borough. The Chair stated the format of the table now was very useful.

 

Type

This period

Last period

Ph/hc

Outcome

Behaviour of driver

9

6

5 PHD

4HCD

5 Advice given

2 NFA

2 written warning,

Breach of conditions

36

28

6 HC

3 HCD

21 PHD

6 PHV

8 written warning,

24 suspension,

1 NFA,

3 Advice given,

Driving standard

4

9

4 HCD

5 PHD

2 NFA

2 Advice given,

Condition of vehicles

7

7

3 HC

4 PHV

5 suspension,

2 written warning,

Mystery shopper op

2

2

HC

The results have again be of a good standard overall, all drivers tested

have been friendly and polite, vehicles kept clean and tidy with drivers

appearance also good. No overcharging and all fares have been

metered. Missing items are again badges and fare charts.

Out of town Plying for Hire complaints

15

39

N/A

There has been a vast drop in out of town vehicles in the borough with

the removal of TFL vehicles under the Uber platform. Any complaint

giving details of date, time, registration/plate number has been checked

with the appropriate licensing authority

 

4.

Guidance on Fitness and Propriety (PB) pdf icon PDF 778 KB

Minutes:

PB presented the ‘Guidance on determining the suitability of applicants and licensees in the hackney and private hire trade’, and advised that the purpose of the document was to raise standards in the PH and HC trade. It was fully supported by the LGA and about 90% supported from consultation responses nationally. He now sought the views of the Trade.

 

SL had three main questions: The ‘guidance’ aspect – open to misinterpretation; statute; and the equality of drivers - access to barristers.

 

He was concerned that the document could be open to interpretation. The Forum also added that guidance was meaningless and carried little weight. PB responded that this was guidance for Local Authorities to set a policy. Policies would then be adhered to in the courts. He added that the Institute of Licensing Officers, together with the LGA, were pushing central government to try and get it resolved.

 

It was agreed that any comments would be submitted to PB by the end of July, he would then liaise with the Forum reps to go over the final points before writing a report for formal consultation.

5.

Shortage of Private Hire Drivers (RV)

Minutes:

RV reported that he had been approached by a number of PH drivers to have more knowledge tests in the summer as one a month was not sufficient and potential drivers were missing out on getting their licence.

 

During discussion KS advised that they were considering increasing the tests during the summer months; and AJ suggested that tests were paid for upfront to deter people not turning up. They would also look to conduct it digitally and reduce the local knowledge test in line with Southampton City Council.

 

IVA testing was suggested for the next meeting, with details supplied to the Chair and PB to enable research.

6.

Date of next meeting

Minutes:

Thursday 8 November 2018.